Peace Plan Part 2
As we speak 3 israelis are be held ransom by Democratic Islamic Governments.
As we speak Israel is releasing $100,000,000 dollars (collected tax revenues) to the democratically elected Holocaust denier President of the Palestinian people To be used by them
Is Olmert on crack? Are we living in an Alice in Wonderland?
My rabid thoughts are as follows:
The 3 Israelis that have been kidnapped should be treated as dead. The should be given state burials with national honors and then Israel should STOP all talk or mention of them.
why you ask? BECAUSE it's the arab/islamic world understands it as a hugh israeli weakness. Israel has not gotten one aspect of any proof any are alive so why ASSUME so? Make the scum that kidnapped them PROVE THEY ARE ALIVE!
Start buidling the fence, no strike that, a WALL, as the arab world calls it, delininating all major arab israeli villages to be GIVEN to the nascent state of palestine.
some additional thougths
As we speak Israel is releasing $100,000,000 dollars (collected tax revenues) to the democratically elected Holocaust denier President of the Palestinian people To be used by them
Is Olmert on crack? Are we living in an Alice in Wonderland?
My rabid thoughts are as follows:
The 3 Israelis that have been kidnapped should be treated as dead. The should be given state burials with national honors and then Israel should STOP all talk or mention of them.
why you ask? BECAUSE it's the arab/islamic world understands it as a hugh israeli weakness. Israel has not gotten one aspect of any proof any are alive so why ASSUME so? Make the scum that kidnapped them PROVE THEY ARE ALIVE!
Start buidling the fence, no strike that, a WALL, as the arab world calls it, delininating all major arab israeli villages to be GIVEN to the nascent state of palestine.
some additional thougths
posted by What is "Occupation" at 11:44 AM
15 Comments:
The $100 million is only a fraction of the money owed to the PLA and even then it comes with conditions, in my view insulting.
How about Israel returning the $3 billion in aid it receives from the USA every year? As it is illegal to get this aid if a state possesses nuclear weapons.
There is off course the issue of an additional $3 billion in foreign military aid and a new act (S.1554) that will be passed in the Senate to allow Israel direct funding for US homeland security contracts.
It would be disconcerting if all the members of PLA were holocaust deniers as I know that not all Palestinians are and, indeed, not all of the Knesset subscribe to the views of the late Rehavam (Gandhi, sic) Zeevi or deputy Prime Minister Avigdor Lieberman, incidentally Hamas was funded by Israel to create violent opposition to Arafat who in turn was allowed back, from Tunisia, into power by Israel to replace the Inifada who was represented by people like Edward Said.
Hamas are, more importantly, not willing to accept Israel’s right to exist, do Israelis accept Palestine’s right to exist?
According to Noam Chomsky this right to exist was redefined from the original UN resolution 242 that described “Israel’s secure and recognised borders”, when are these borders going to be finally be established? Does this also mean recognising the right of Israel to expel Palestinians?
This is all fine for those who want a two state solution but what about a secular one state solution with a Palestinian right to return to their homes?
I’m an anti-Zionist but one of the politicians I most admired was Ian Mikardo, who was a Zionist, I feel that Israel is Key to peace in the region and can be an example like, South Africa, of what can be achieved trough peace and reconciliation instead of war, misery and hatred.
If Israel carries on with its current policy of pre-emptive anticipatory war it will become increasingly seen in the USA as it is in parts of Europe and the rest of the world (see the voting record of UN resolutions) as the intolerant, racist pariah state it currently is.
For PLA please read Palestinian Authority.
thank you for your comments "the good people." Somehow I have a feeling the author of this blog will have difficulty reading such a non-inflammatory, pro-reconciliation and peace agenda though. Such a shame.
Also, why is it that the governed always conveniently forget historical details like who their government gave massive quantities of money to, *cough* Arafat *cough*
Also, to the owner of this blog, to != too. As in, "If you do not share my right to live, too bad."
Also, I do share your right to live, as well as that of all the people in this world. The constant warring between people is what makes this a difficult right to uphold. Aggression begets aggression.
The good people of Biffin Bridge: The $100 million is only a fraction of the money owed to the PLA and even then it comes with conditions, in my view insulting.
the PA agreed to renounce using terror and to dismantle all armed militias as per the terms of agreements, by not doing so violates and ends such agreements, the money Israel has held (import taxes) are not owed if the PA does not live up to the signed national peace agreements it has signed.
The good people of Biffin Bridge: How about Israel returning the $3 billion in aid it receives from the USA every year? As it is illegal to get this aid if a state possesses nuclear weapons.
Israel and Egypt get money in aid from the USA due to the Camp David agreement, Israel is NOT a signer of the NON-polif. treaty, thus is not in violation of any American Aid laws. Israel also has publically stated it will not be the 1st country to introduce nukes into the middle east. Now we all do understand that of course Israel has had nukes, the difference is (vrs iran) that israel doesnt seek the genocidal destruction of any state, whereas iran does and iran DID sign legal doc and received aid and assistance as a signer of the non-prolif treaty.
The good people of Biffin Bridge : There is off course the issue of an additional $3 billion in foreign military aid and a new act (S.1554) that will be passed in the Senate to allow Israel direct funding for US homeland security contracts.
75% of all USA is required to be spent in the USA. As for total dollars, the USA has spent over 400 BILLION on protecting and rebuilding arab countries, so why bitch about 3 billion when the USA is spending billions a week on iraq, arabia, qatar, palestine, jordan & egypt?
The good people of Biffin Bridge: It would be disconcerting if all the members of PLA were holocaust deniers as I know that not all Palestinians are and,
no just the president of Palestine...
The good people of Biffin Bridge: indeed, not all of the Knesset subscribe to the views of the late Rehavam (Gandhi, sic) Zeevi or deputy Prime Minister Avigdor Lieberman, incidentally Hamas was funded by Israel to create violent opposition to Arafat who in turn was allowed back, from Tunisia, into power by Israel to replace the Inifada who was represented by people like Edward Said.
what does that mean? nothing...
The good people of Biffin Bridge Hamas are, more importantly, not willing to accept Israel’s right to exist, do Israelis accept Palestine’s right to exist?
Israel accepted Palestine's right to exist as far back as 1948 when Israel accepted the 2 state solution. Israel still advocates a 2 state solution and hamas etc are rejectionists.
The good people of Biffin Bridge : According to Noam Chomsky this right to exist was redefined from the original UN resolution 242 that described “Israel’s secure and recognised borders”, when are these borders going to be finally be established? Does this also mean recognising the right of Israel to expel Palestinians?
well norm is an ass.... but your point> international borders? if that was easy then there would be no conflict anywhere between any countries... the conflict on the israeli side is a border dispute, the conflict on the PA/Hamas side is Israel's right to be... All nations have a right to expel any peoples it wishes to, just ask the 21 nations of the arab league what happened to the 500,000 jews that used to be citizens of their lands...
The good people of Biffin Bridge: This is all fine for those who want a two state solution but what about a secular one state solution with a Palestinian right to return to their homes?
nonsense, palestinians are not secular, and after 500,000 jews were expelled and 500,000 "palestinians" were expelled that point is moot. However there are 1,000,000 arabs that still do live as citizens in israel. I do state that those largest cities of arabs that sit on the border with a new palestinian state should be cut out and given to that state, so not expel them from israel , israel should actually give the land, with the arabs on it to the palestinians.
The good people of Biffin Bridge : I’m an anti-Zionist but one of the politicians I most admired was Ian Mikardo, who was a Zionist, I feel that Israel is Key to peace in the region and can be an example like, South Africa, of what can be achieved trough peace and reconciliation instead of war, misery and hatred.
Islam is the problem, arab nationalism is the problem. israel has 1/650th of the land mass of the arab world, the arab world has 649/650 of this land, israel has 25% arab population and the arab world is has ethnically cleansed all jews from it's lands.
The good people of Biffin Bridge: If Israel carries on with its current policy of pre-emptive anticipatory war it will become increasingly seen in the USA as it is in parts of Europe and the rest of the world (see the voting record of UN resolutions) as the intolerant, racist pariah state it currently is.
Israel does not have a policy of pre-emptive war. It is under attack daily, the lebanese war was started by hezbollah. Once you are attacked it aint pre-emtive to strike back. On the stage of the world, the simple act of calling for Israel's destruction by the prez of iran was an act of war...
suicide bombers, an act of war
lobing rockets across the gaza border, act of war
as for intolerant racist states, look to the arab world where it is a crime to sell land to a jew....
as for the UN.... give me a break, how about the fact that if the UN accepted it's 1948 creation of the state of israel we would not have any issues...
colin said...
thank you for your comments "the good people." Somehow I have a feeling the author of this blog will have difficulty reading such a non-inflammatory, pro-reconciliation and peace agenda though. Such a shame.
colin, why judge what you do not know... just makes you look foolish.
colin: Also, why is it that the governed always conveniently forget historical details like who their government gave massive quantities of money to, *cough* Arafat *cough*
Israel and America have given BILLIONS to arafat and other radical murderers to try to buy peace...
it has failed...
Colin: Also, to the owner of this blog, to != too. As in, "If you do not share my right to live, too bad."
thanks for the english correction, not my strong skill.
Colin: Also, I do share your right to live, as well as that of all the people in this world. The constant warring between people is what makes this a difficult right to uphold. Aggression begets aggression.
Sure, so when israel left gaza and handed over 350 million a year in greenhouses what did that get them? thousands of rockets...
face facts, islamic/arab nationalist is a ban on the world and thy LOVE to create marytrs.....
Thank you, I will start by reading Jewish exodus from Arab lands from my initial observations scanning this article I get the impression that the expulsion of 25,000 from Egypt and subsequent immigration from other countries was a result of the creation of Israel.
It is tragic that people suffer and are discriminated against does this justify taking homes that belong to Palestinians and perpetrating war crimes.
Armenians and Kurds have also been targeted by regimes in the Middle East.
Are you going to tell me that Mizrahi Jews in Israel are not discriminated against?
The good people of Biffin Bridge said...
Thank you, I will start by reading Jewish exodus from Arab lands from my initial observations scanning this article I get the impression that the expulsion of 25,000 from Egypt and subsequent immigration from other countries was a result of the creation of Israel.
up to 500,000 jews were forced from the arab conquered lands of the middle east.
read about the arab murders of jews in hebron around 1918...
The good people of Biffin Bridge said...It is tragic that people suffer and are discriminated against does this justify taking homes that belong to Palestinians and perpetrating war crimes.
the arabs started and lost 7 wars, if they lose lands because of that it is the price to pay for trying and failing to TAKE ADDITIONAL jewish lands. Let's see.. the arabs contol 649/650th of the middle east, the jews have been reduced to 1/650th..
as for war crimes? Was it a war crime when the arabs supported hitler in his quest to murder jews? what price have they ever paid for that?
If you want to discuss war crimes, have at it...
Are you going to tell me that Mizrahi Jews in Israel are not discriminated against?
nope, discrinination occurs everywhere in the world, what has that got to do with the fact that the arab world lives on stolen lands (berbers, kurds, jews, coptics to name a few) and it has laws that make it illegal for jews to own land or businesses in their countries?
there are 1,000,000 arab citizens of israel, they own land, they are business owners, they are judges, cops, and serve in the knesset...
let's see one arab country allow that for jews....
Didn’t deputy Prime Minister Avigdor Lieberman call for their execution Arab members of the Knesset because they met members of the Palestinian Parliament?
Do you really think that war crimes are the appropriate response to terrorism? I see it as supremely neurotic, disproportionate and simply not working. Israel should be facing international war crime charges for what they did in Lebanon during 2006 alone.
If Israel has grievances then they should be made to the appropriate international body and not to be included as some kind of moral equivalence in a defence that justifies indiscrimate murder.
The USA and to a lesser extent the UK has been bombarded with Israeli propaganda; by your emphatic responses I can see why John Mearsheimer and Stephen Walt felt so embattled when they incurred the wroth of Alan Dershowitz.
You imply the Israel is a democracy but what kind of democracy is it that has a “demographic problem”.
A far as I’m concerned, Israel will have to embrace secularism, civil marriages, a Palestinian right to return to their HOMES, to decommission their nuclear warheads and nuclear submarines if they want to criticize neighbouring regimes with any kind of credibility.
You say Israel is 1/650th of the Middle East! Defined by what countries exactly? Does this include the Maghreb (with Mauritania), Sudan, the Horn of Africa shall also include Iran, Afghanistan Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan, hey why not also include Pakistan and Kyrgyzstan!
The good people of Biffin Bridge said...
Didn’t deputy Prime Minister Avigdor Lieberman call for their execution Arab members of the Knesset because they met members of the Palestinian Parliament?
did he? no clue, never heard anything about that, but let's say he did, does his words have any power? is he like any arab leader than can say the same thing and actually have people killed?
if you make a statement like that, please provide the evidence of same..
stated: Do you really think that war crimes are the appropriate response to terrorism?
ok, what is a war crime? is blowing up an empty terrorist's family house a war crime?
let's see... they murder israel people, men women and children on purpose and israel murders kitchens and bathrooms and walls... hmmmm yep both are the same.
stated: Israel should be facing international war crime charges for what they did in Lebanon during 2006 alone.
ok, let's explore, what did they do that was a war crime, please be specific, since they did RESPOND to an ATTACK..
stated: If Israel has grievances then they should be made to the appropriate international body and not to be included as some kind of moral equivalence in a defence that justifies indiscrimate murder.
are you on crack? if israel had done what hezbollah did, shell 4000+ rockets at civilians, israel would and could killed 100,000's of thousands.
stated: The USA and to a lesser extent the UK has been bombarded with Israeli propaganda; by your emphatic responses I can see why John Mearsheimer and Stephen Walt felt so embattled when they incurred the wroth of Alan Dershowitz.
wow you are on crack, lot's of topic attacks and yet no details... just lots of smear shit...
try sticking to ONE idea...
and you continue: You imply the Israel is a democracy but what kind of democracy is it that has a “demographic problem”.
israel is a democracy, palestine is a democracy lebanon is a democracy..
what is your point?
the reason the arab world has no "jewish" issues is that they got rid of them all and solved their problem... is that the solution you seek?
stated: A far as I’m concerned, Israel will have to embrace secularism, civil marriages, a Palestinian right to return to their HOMES,
does the arab world have to do the same 1st, since the are the majority of arabs in the middle east? Do jews get their homes back from the 21 arab nations? does the arab world have to allow secularism, civil marriages too? will they accept jews as 100% citizens also?
further rantings: to decommission their nuclear warheads and nuclear submarines if they want to criticize neighbouring regimes with any kind of credibility.
Israel has not threatened to wipe off the face of the earth any nation, however that is not the same of israel's enemies... get the arabs and persians to stop threatening genocide 1st.
stated: You say Israel is 1/650th of the Middle East! Defined by what countries exactly?
the arab world
Does this include the Maghreb (with Mauritania), Sudan, the Horn of Africa shall also include Iran, Afghanistan Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan, hey why not also include Pakistan and Kyrgyzstan!
nope then israel would be 1/1200 th of the islamic world, but you dont seem to be able to read what wrote, try sticking to the subject...
learn...
Since you make free associations to justify babble you are in no position to judge.
Israel has cheated, stole, murdered and lied it way into existence.
First you say 1/650th of the Middle East now it’s 1/650th of the Arab World - which takes up could be 1/3rd of the continent of Africa!
briffin: Since you make free associations to justify babble you are in no position to judge.
you state no facts... just "feelings"
briffin: Israel has cheated, stole, murdered and lied it way into existence.
actually the UN created the modern state of Israel.
briffin First you say 1/650th of the Middle East now it’s 1/650th of the Arab World - which takes up could be 1/3rd of the continent of Africa!
israel is 1/650th of the arab world. the 21/22 nations of the arab world hold the overwhelming land mass, 649/650th of that land. What part of this alludes you?
can you not look at a map?
can you not see the nations that make up the arab league?
can you not see that area called the moab?
I have looked at the map and there is a difference between the Middle East and the Arab league.
your a moron...
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